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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Yes. So what? Do you like the outcome of the officer acting unprofessional and damaging the relationship for all officers in the town?

  That's an assertion; not a fact.

  We must take care not to transpose social ills onto an incident that is not contributing to those ills. Someone called for police because public safety was perceived to be in jeopardy. The police are to protect public safety. Guess what? This incident ended safely for everyone, including officers who wanted to finish their shift and be alive to hug their spouses and children when they got home. Oh, guess what else? We don't have any parents sobbing because their child lost their life.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  At one point one of the kids addressed him in such a mannerable fashion and he just continues to yell.

  Yes. So what? Do you like the outcome of no one being seriously injured?

  There is more to this episode than we see on video. This officer was working to preserve order and safety. He knew there were other officers there, and they were working differently, which is typical. The particular office at issue was primarily focused on crowd control and not playing nicy-nicy. He was barking authoritatively for a reason, and his work was in concert with other officers around him.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  its a double standard.

  No. It's not when public safety is at stake.

  Keeping people safe from harm is the first priority.

  I don't care how many f-bombs a police officer drops to keep the peace if the reason and effect is to protect folks from injury. If, on the other hand, vulgar language is used purely to demean that's something else altogether. But I don't see that going on in this instance. I see an officer on duty working to disperse a crowd with some semblance of order, including his instructions issued to some to simply walk away and others to sit down. All of this is crowd control technique.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  • As he runs up and falls and gets embarrassed he then begins yelling profanities at the people he serves. It's funny the other officers were professionals. The people are only complaining about the one runt officer ego saw themed to be extra.

    I didn't see a video of a officer getting embarrassed by falling and responding with an ego. I saw a peace officer who fell while running and then got up and continued on. Then I saw him return, collect his wits, do more crowd dispersal, call in on his radio, then go back to more crowd dispersal. Then the bikini gal starts up with the mouth, which is not good for crowd dispersal. He caller her on it. She didn't leave when she was asked to go. When she was asked to stop mouthing she didn't do that either. When she was instructed to get on the ground she didn't do that either. The "runt" you're talking about was acting to disperse the crowd. For all I know he was the ranking officer on the scene, which would explain why we saw his initiative. I don't know about his rank on the scene, but I know he was dispersing that crowd and that's precisely what needed to happen.

    I find your comments about this officer needlessly demeaning. Talk about what he did if you need to. But to impute motive based on his size is stupid. You have no idea what was going on on inside this man's head, or why.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Another thing I notice about this episode is that the incident ended without anyone being seriously injured. It could well be the case that efforts used to disperse the crowd made the difference between a worse outcome. I don't hear anyone talking about this either. Police were called to in incident with a large gathering and tempers flaring. It ended pretty well insofar as I can tell.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Notice how the other normal sized officer in the beginning was talking to the young boys like a human. Then this bozo pint-sized man runs in like a bull in a china shop.

  I saw more than one officer running.

  I saw the officer you're talking about react in response to circumstances that were not of his making.

  As for unholstering his sidearm, the more I look at that video the more I feel like he responded appropriately from his perspective, and I think his training was on full alert. He had quick instinct to protect his person when his immediate space was approached from behind. His training had him protect his person, and it kept him from opening fire in the split second he had to decide whether it was necessary. One more thing about this sidearm, looks to me like he never put his finger on the trigger. If so, it's pure training.
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
  2. current

  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  He couldn't be bothered go after either of the two male teens, black or white, he perceived as a more immediate and dangerous enough threat to draw his weapon on.

  We must have watched different videos. The one i watched showed the two males being pursued by two officers who left the one to finish his detention of the mouthy bikini clad gal.

  Cops are understandably skittish about being approached abruptly (and from behind no less!) when on the job and in uniform. We'll see how things look with more investigation.

  Clash of expectations is what i saw.

  - On one hand we have officers charged with keeping public order and who expect to be listened to and with reasonable requests obeyed.

  - On the other hand we have teenagers who expect officers to react just like their parents to disobedience and mouthiness.

  It's a bad brew, and we call the police only when there's an issue in need of remedy.
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  The Man with the Golden Arm

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  james harrison is australian and is known as the man with the golden arm.

  i've neither researched nor inquired of his religious disposition, but i feel safe assuming he's not now and never has been associated formally with the watchtower organization.

  this man is a national treasure and hero of the first order.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  This is one story you won't read about in any of WT's literature or video you won't see on their website.

  There was a time when Watchtower's leadership would have heralded this man's selflessness as heroic. But no more.

  See: Watchtower praises the donation and feeding of blood as heroic
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  McKinney Texas pool party?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

  1. social
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  so today i was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in mcminney, texas.

  my response: it shows a clash of expectations.

  i saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  So today I was asked my thoughts on the pool party incident in McMinney, Texas.

  My response: It shows a clash of expectations.

  I saw police officers who expected citizens to listen to and follow instructions.

  I saw teenager citizens responding to police officers expecting them to act like their parents who let them refuse to follow instructions, mouth off and all without consequences.

  That's a bad mix. Oh, and the police get called to mop stuff up that began by poor upbringing.

  That's my take.

  I was asked specifically about the officer who drew his gun on unarmed males.

  My response: Well the guy taking the video from behind one of these males at least had a chance to see when the one guy's hand went behind his body (as he approached the officer!) that there was no weapon to draw. But the officer was not standing behind the approaching male. He was in front of the male and was being approached from his back/side. The cop was definitely hyped. But for me it's too early to say his reactions were unacceptable. I'll wait to hear a more comprehensive report based on multiple perspectives to the whole incident.

  Edited to add: The one guy who seemingly bumped his buddy even closer to the officer didn't do anyone any favor either.
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

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  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Watchtower's blood taboo stands or falls based on one thing: What is was required of the biblical Noah.

  Humans in Noah's time had health needs like everyone else among ancients. The use of blood transplantation for medicinal remedy was widely practiced from antiquity. Hence if God did not want Noah to use blood for this purpose there was reason to tell Noah that as a matter of biblical record. But there is no biblical record of any such a thing. Based on the biblical record Noah was free to transplant blood (even from slaughtered animals!) for medicinal remedy.

  
  - Ancient Blood Transplantation, and Noah

  Watchtower's blood taboo could not be more wrong.